In this episode, Gabby speaks with Senior People Director at TrustRadius, Jamy Conrad. Her Capital P in Persistence describes her career which spans 13 years in the People Work space. However, a common thread in the conversation is the persistent push-through struggles as a society. Jamy believes that wellness is a necessary step in being successful. She also expresses the power of listening to employees. The shift involves putting employees first, cultivating people support as an organization, and developing current leadership to be open to change. Jamy believes a good starting point is using HR Metrics to build wellness programs that work.